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Well, as most of you have probably seen, we have an Anti-SOS button on our page. I have gotten many e-mails asking me why we have this Anti-SOS button, since "The SOS were the ones who saved Sailor Moon In North America!" This simply isn't the case.
The fact of the matter is that SOS has lied countless times and continues to lie to this day! This page is here so that we can log everything that the SOS says or does that is ridiculous. Please keep in mind that this log was started on 9/24/00. Everything the SOS has done before that date will not be valid in this log. We will only mark things that the SOS has done after 9/24/00 (but there will be a few exceptions).
02/26/01 - Well, SOS is at it again.....The following is from their tickertape with the header titled "'Sailor Stars' Not Announced By Cartoon Network."
?.? Ahem....*cough*.....A little background first- The long strings of periods separate mini-articles. I'm going to address each article separately. First off, SOS' crap about Cartoon Network. SOS states that Sailor Stars has not been added for fall or even later to Cartoon Network's schedule. Then they say if Cartoon Network doesn't pick up Stars, the SOS will start up a campaign...One problem with this though....THERE HAS TO BE A SEASON TO AIR BEFORE YOU AIR IT!!! As of this current moment, Cloverway nor Optimum have made ANY announcements that they will dub Sailor Stars. Infact, if anything, I would think they'd wanna hold out a bit so that Pioneer's releases can get going before throwing another season in their face (for God's sake, they have 70 episodes left to release....). Then, the SOS says that if the Cartoon Network DOESN'T pick up Stars, they'll organize a petition. Excuse me for my rudeness, but what utter crap is that? It's absolutely absurd for a company to state that they are going to air a series when there are NO plans to make it. Well, hey, if they're gonna sign up Sailor Stars for a fall airing, why don't they sign up another season of reboot? Are you following me, yet? If you're not, then I'll explain. Reboot is no longer being produced. What sense would it make for them to sign up Season 4 of reboot when it will never air? It's the same logic for Sailor Stars. Why would Cartoon Network sign up Sailor Stars when the companies involved haven't even begun to talk about pre-production for the show? (UPDATE: Umm, well, apparently....There _IS_ a Season 4 of Reboot coming out....*cough*....Boy, is my face red! I could have sworn that they said that was the end...Well, instead of a Season 4 reboot, think of it as a new season of Ronin Warriors, ok? Heh, considering my luck, they're probably coming out with a new season of Ronin Warriors too....Thanks to [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] for alerting me of this. Thanks you guys ~_^) Next on the list is the SOS' campaign for a subtitled Sera-Myu. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see subtitled Sera-Myu in the states....But coming from some organization who disses DiC and says that they're bad news but yet "asks" companies to notice the popularity of the DiC version rather weird......Along those lines, I want to address another concern of mine- SOS' hypocrisy. First, let me define what a "DiC/Cloverway" version is. DiC's version had different music and much more scene alteration and cuts. Cloverway had less scene alteration and the original music. The voices ARE NOT, I repeat, ARE NOT a difference between DiC's version and Cloverway's version. That is an OPTIMUM issue, not a DiC/Cloverway issue. So basically, a DiC version is one with more cuts and the DiC music. So by wanting a DiC version, they're basically advocating the destruction and alteration of anime, a HUGE NO-NO in most people's books. Now, I'm not the only one who finds it quite odd that a group that likes DiC's music and cut up anime also plays the Japanese background music on their page and wants to have Sera-Myu over here subtitled. It just doesn't make sense. It's just one big huge oxymoron. It's like snowmans in the desert. It's like a blue sky on mars. It just doesn't - make - sense. Last on the list is their really dumb thing about the Mixx manga and Chibi-Chibi. They say "WeWe SeeSee Chibi-Chibi Is Now RiRi--according to Amazon.com's description of Mixx's Sailor Stars manga translation,". Heh, well EyeEye ("II" looked too wierd ^^;;) SeeSee Chibi-Chibi Is Now Chibi-Chibi--according to the actual Mixx manga sitting in my hand. Now, it'd be one thing if they had reported this BEFORE the Mixx manga had come out, as that was the general consensus since Mixx said themselves it would be RiRi...But now that the Manga actually is out and the manga itself proves that Chibi-Chibi keeps her name, there is absolutely NO REASON for this mistake. It's absolutely unacceptable, and quite frankly, embarrassing. Well, that's all for this edition of "SOS sucks"...Come back next time when they do something completely idiotic! *SMILE*
02/10/01 - Wow! It looks as if the SOS is trying to cover its tracks! This morning, I went to check the SOS website and it seems that they have changed all of the incorrect info about how many episodes were on each VHS and on the DVD. However, even though they corrected that information, they still haven't corrected the name of the DVD! No other information was changed. Tsk tsk, SOS. Trying to cover your tracks now, eh? Alright...well.. LET IT BE KNOWN TO ALL! SOS ORIGINALLY POSTED THAT THE VHS AND DVDs HAD A COMBINED 6 EPISODES! There, I feel better! As long as EVERYONE out there knows that the SOS are morons, and that as long as I'm around, they can't cover their tracks ~_^. Sorry if I sound ruthless, but that article really urked me more than any other that they have posted since I opened this section.
02/09/01 - Wow...Four months. I'm suprised SOS made it this far without being stupid. Too bad they couldn't go any longer. The following is from their article, "DiC & ADV vs. Cloverway & Pioneer - Home Video War!" Let's get started, shall we? I must say, this is some of the worst stuff that the SOS has reported since we opened this section.
Umm, for starters, the Pioneer releases have only been out for....Oh...THREE DAYS!!!! Not only that, but all of Pioneer's releases have been VERY HARD TO COME BY in the last three days! All the Suncoast stores (4 of them) in Las Vegas have only gotten a total of 16 VHSes (mostly cut dub, a few uncut dub, and very few subtitled) and only ONE DVD in the past three days. I made sure to call all the locations right before typing this up to confirm this. Also, yesterday when I went to pick up that DVD from Suncoast (yes, that one DVD was mine, I was the first to pre-order it), they were completely sold out of the VHS copies they had. So with such a limited time frame that they have been out and considering how extremely hard it is to find the releases, how can you (the SOS) even CONSIDER saying that ADV and Pioneer's sales can be compared?! You can't! ADV's features are widely available and have been out for some time, Pioneer's have been out for THREE DAYS. You can't compare, and I might sound rude saying this, but you are idiotic for comparing at such an early stage. Next, in the last sentance, you talk about the 3 vs. 4 episode deal and how they're affecting sales. Well, again, you can't compare ADV and Pioneer at such an early stage in the game, and two, PIONEER'S RELEASES AREN'T 3 EPISODES! The first VHS is 4, while the second is 3. This has been common knowledge to both Dan and I for over two months now. How can it not be to a "well-organized, higly respectable (*laugh*)" organization? Considering that since the releases are out now and you can physically go check to see how many episodes are on each release at your local video store (if you can find it), I find this error to be highly highly highly unacceptable and embarressing towards your organization.
Ok. You say that you hope Cloverway takes note of the popularity of the DIC version when considering any future edited & dubbed productions...Well, ummm....Do the fans want Cloverway to take notice? It's been my observation that the fans say "NO". Of course, I don't know the whole spectrum of fans, but from observing the SOS message board, it seems that MOST PEOPLE LIKE THE ORIGINAL MUSIC. The voices are also starting to grow on people. But of course, the only way to TRULY prove this is by doing what I've been suggesting all this time, MAKE A DAMN POLL!!!!!!! Grrrr! In the next paragraph I quoted above, the SOS talks about how ADV's releases weren't expected to do good, but they're not falling off the face of the earth. However, in earlier paragraphs (which I also quoted above), they say that ADV is holding off Pioneer! Also, in earlier reports, the SOS is quoted as saying, "Pioneer is getting ready for their releases while ADV's releases seem to be going nowhere". Is it just me, or is this very contridictary? First ADV is doing horrible, now, suddenly that Pioneer has entered the scene, ADV "Hasn't fallen off the face of the earth" and is, according to them, holding off Pioneer's release! That makes absolutely no sense WHATSOEVER.
Wow, I've never seen so much incorrect info (that can easily be found elsewhere in a correct format) from a "relaible source" in my entire life! Again, Volume One = 4 episodes. Volume Two = 3 episodes. Then they go onto say that the pattern of 2 VHS = 1 DVD will continue when www.pioneeranimation.com already states that it wont! The next two volumes "Labyrinth" and "Birthday Blues" will both have only 1 VHS and 1 DVD respectively. (UPDATE: It seems as if I'm getting contridictary information about the next VHS/DVDs. Pioneer's website is saying there will be 1 VHS per DVD but other reliable news sources are saying it's 2 VHS per DVD. O.o;;; Uh..wha?) Concerning the last paragraph quoted above, there's more info that's incorrect. Again, the DVD has SEVEN episodes, not six. I have the proof right here. Also, the DVD's name is "Sailor Moon S - The Heart Collection", not "Sailor Moon S - Pure Hearts/Love War (Vols 1 & 2). I've known this for several months, the SOS should have too. Click the link above for proof of that too.
The paragraph quoted above was from the last paragraph of the article. I'd like to have analyzed the rest of the article, but most of it was stuff that I have previously mentioned. Anyways... SOS! NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER REVEAL THIS KIND OF INFORMATION WITHOUT CITING A SOURCE! If you don't cite a source with this kind of information, your info is as good as a lie. You would have been better off not even mentioning that kind of thing. Infact, you would have been better off holding off this article for a few weeks until we can ACTUALLY SEE how Pioneer is actually doing. Basically, the way you put that paragraph, you're conveying to me that you HAVE no source and you are making this information up. Always cite your sources. So, SOS, are you still wondering why people think you are liers? With all the incorrect info and that last paragraph, I hope you can see why.
12/25/00 - Well, it's been over two months and no bad updates from the SOS. Wow. I'm impressed! Keep up the good work, SOS. If all goes well, I wont have to update this section anymore! (but I have a gut feeling that's just wishful thinking)
10/13/00 - Oh SOS, Friday the Thirteenth...I guess today's not your day, is it? Well, this article is going to be long since the SOS made a big update so thus, there are a lot of things I must address. *SIGH* Here we go.....This first section is from the article entitled, "They Did Listen, Sorta...Pioneer To Release Series As Is But Ups the Number Of Episodes"
Still has yet to be determined? What? No it hasn't, it IS determined that it WILL come out. You can already pre-order it from stores. Want proof? Ok http://cave3.red5interactive.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/024095176058003753/browse/item/42610/4/0/0 Is that proof enough for you?
No, it's not "expected" it's "known". Pioneer themselves have said that no matter what, they will release both the SuperS and Super TV series. It's not like Pioneer, an established well respected company, to go back on their word.
I must first say that SOS' "proposal" (can I even call something so selfish and sloppy that?) of a redub was simply preposterous. To get the Voice Actresses to redub their lines would cause for them to get re-paid. You can't get them to work unless they get paid. This costs money. To get the old Voice Actresses back would cost an even HIGHER amount of money, because only many zeros will convince them to drop their high paying live action work for the low paying dub work. Next, to get the "DiC" music cues back, that would cost even MORE money, since Cloverway would have to acquire the rights to the music. All of this added together equals a BIG debt that Optimum, Pioneer, and Cloverway would have to pay. Simply put, if I were one of the three companies mentioned above, I would have cut off any ties with the SOS for such an idiotic proposal. These companies aren't made of money. If you want that stuff so bad, why don't you pay for it, SOS? I thought not......
Until the SOS does SOME type of poll or SOMETHING to rate what the fans REALLY want, then they have no right to speak for the fans. Sure, they've heard from a few hundred (maybe close to a thousand) fans saying this, but what about the 20,000 fans they didn't hear from? What do they think? All word that I have gotten from the fans is that they like the original music. As for the ridiculous thought of getting the old voice actresses back, I have one word for you, "MONEY". So basically, DEAL WITH IT. They're not THAT bad (they've improved tremendously, especially Linda, who I prefer listening to over Terri Hawkes, believe it or not).
I'm assuming that they mean they'll come to a decision WITHIN their organization about those issues, so I'll approach it from that angle, but I do have some comments to make. First off, I've made my stance clear about Terri, Karen, and Stephanie.....but Toby Proctor?!? What the hell, SOS?!?! You got word from him YOURSELF that he quit working with Optimum cause the pay was bad, what makes you think he'll be even CONSIDERING going back to a lower paying job? That's like me working as a LAN administrator and then deciding to work as a cashier for McDonalds because, "I'm a people person and I'll make people happy" (I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get my point). Also, why are they making such a big deal about the voices now? Why didn't they make such a big deal about it back when the 17 "lost episodes" premiered and they had lost Katie Griffin and Toby Proctor? They seemed much more understanding then, saying that they had other commitments and that they respected their decisions. Now, the SOS is BADGERING THE VOICE ARTISTS AND COMPANIES IN QUESTION left and right about them returning. Personally, I find that rude and unprofessional. They don't want to work (or don't have the time to work) on Sailor Moon. Respect their decision. The one thing I DO like about what they say is that they say "The usage (and non usage) of DiC music cues". At least they realize that most fans despise the DiC music cues........But really, to me, there's no question about it, the DiC music has GOT to go. And just an interesting tidbit, I'm reading all of this Original music bashing and whining about the DiC music to come back AS I'M LISTENING TO A MIDI OF "AI NO SENSHI" PLAYING THAT THE SOS HAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THEIR PAGE. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Ok, we're moving onto a new article now. This is from the article "Toei's 2001 Sailormoon Calendar". Now, there's no excerpts that are really very bad, but I find the entire article in general very ironic. The SOS supports the Japanese merchandise, show, and anything else Japanese about Sailor Moon, yet they want their version (and are happy with the fact) to be "purely American" (ie - They want DiC music cues, they don't seem to care about americanization at all). To me, I find this a bit odd. They want Japanese stuff EXCEPT for the actual show.....That makes no sense. All the while I'm still listening to "Ai No Senshi" in Midi form that was provided by the SOS at the bottom of their page and looking at the prize for the Sumo Senshi contest (which is, by the way, over a year old and they STILL haven't picked the winners yet. Wow, real professional), which happens to be, a collection of JAPANESE MUSIC from the Sera-Myu musicals. Riiiiiiiiight New Article now, this time entitled, "Yodeling Is Fun! Old VAs Pack Punch!" Oh God, I'm scared already.
Oh my freaking Goodness, no. I don't see where SOS thinks they have the knowledge to say that the reason that the SuperS movie did well was because everyone "Missed the old Voice Actresses so much" (I will never call them Artists). And again, RATINGS DID NOT FREAKING SUFFER. It's not like Sailor Moon got a 0.2 on the ratings, the ratings were GOOD. GOOD. Say it with me now, SOS, GOOD. They weren't "Spectacular", you'd be dumb if you thought they would be. Nonetheless, they were "GOOD". But to say that the reason people bought the SuperS movie was because "they missed the old voices" is just downright ridiculous. How do you know? From what I had heard, people were planning on buying it ANYWAY, not just because they missed the old voices. Oh geez, SOS. You're so stupid when you start assuming stupid crap like this (Can I say, "Pop-Tarts", here?).
This also somewhat proves that people don't hate the DiC music cues as much as you say, cause if they did, then they wouldn't have wasted their money on the DVD (which only had the original music cues on it) and would have bought only the VHS (which had DiC cues on it). I think I rest my case with the whole "music" thing. Ok, the last article. This last article was on the Fantasticon interview, entitled, "Network Executive Forms Words! Public Amazed!", and let me tell you, this is BY FAR the worst of the articles. I'm not going to quote it, as I'd be practically quoting the entire article, but I will say a few things about it. If you read the article, you will notice that the article revolves around the "Why is there no SuperS advertisement?" question (and yes, that question was asked by none-other than myself and Dan), which is fine, but the SOS then suddenly starts acting as if they KNOW what Toonami's intentions were for Sailor Moon. For one, not ONE PERSON from the SOS works at Cartoon Network, so NOT ONE PERSON can assume what the Network's intentions were. And just so you know, the SOS really has really no idea what they are talking about, as they have really no 'official' tie to the Cartoon Network, or more specifically, ANY tie at all to Toonami. Personally, I tend to believe the President of Toonami more to a fan organization that already has a AMAZINGLY HUGE bad reputation. How about you? Then the SOS says that the "Cartoon Network used the SOS page as their advertisement", saying that most Sailor Moon fans visit the SOS page anyway. I would firmly have to disagree with that. There is a HUGE percentage of Sailor Moon fans that either do not have the internet, don't know how to use it, or don't know about the SOS page, and the Cartoon Network knows this. They know that just by advertising by the "SOS" will be free, it will also make the ratings suffer, as many fans will not even know that a new series is out. Also, considering that the show is already "Suffering", which is stated by the SOS, it would only seem logical to do more advertising to boost those ratings up, wouldn't it? All these facts point to one and only one direction- The SOS is lying again. After this, the SOS continues its idiotic rant about how Toonami has "no plans to show the Sailor Moon movies" because "they haven't acquired them yet". Well, let's put it this way, just because I haven't bought my Sailor Moon S DVD by Pioneer yet, does that mean that "I don't plan to watch it"? I think not. If Toonami (NOT CARTOON NETWORK, SOS. I will also stop using the term "Cartoon Network" since it really doesn't apply as Toonami is run very separately from the Cartoon Network) had no plans to show the movies, they would not be trying to acquire them. They ARE trying to acquire them, so thus, they have extended plans to show the Sailor Moon movies. Lastly, the SOS talks about how Dragonball Z could have used a organization like the SOS. Yeah, whatever. That's just what we need, to replace the new voice actors who are doing just fine with the old ones who were equal to or only slightly better than the new ones, to get the crappy Saban music to replace the equally crappy Funimation music rather than getting the original (and when we do get the original all we do is whine) and then if something REMOTELY happens that is just a TAD bit in the push towards something called a "translation" of a series rather than an "adaption" we shall whine and complain and moan until it's back to a crappily rewritten Sabanfest. Cause of course, all that matters in shows like Sailor Moon and DBZ is the voices and music. Scripts, accuracies, inaccuracies, cuts, censorships, they all don't matter. We don't care if we're getting a watered down version of either show. All we care about is getting the old crappy voices and music to replace the new crappy voices and music. Knowing the SOS, this would probably be the stupid things that they would do. Yeah! We need a Save Our DBZ campaign! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!! And thus, this ends this INCREDIBLE LONG article that has taken me quite a lot of time to write. Have a nice day people, and remember, don't trust the SOS, they're not good role-models for what Anime should be in America. *NODS*
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